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Lima | December 3, 2008 [ 17:06 ]

Racism still a major concern in Lima


Living in Peru
Jobana Soto


It has been 154 years since African Peruvians gained their freedom in the country but racial barriers still exist between blacks and whites. According to Paul Colinó Monroy, president of Movimiento Negro Francisco Congo, an organization that supports the rights of Afroperuvians, the inclusion of blacks in the community is slow and difficult.

“I see supermarkets and banks, over there no blacks work there,” Monroy stated. “It’s true that there are laws that condemn racial discrimination but in life, a black person doesn’t have it easy compared to those of other ethnicities.”

In a recent poll conducted by Grupo de Opinión Pública from the University of Lima, 76.5 percent surveyed considered Peruvians to be racists. Julio Mansilla, commissioner of the Adjuntía de Derechos Humanos de la Defensoría del Pueblo, says that very rarely discrimination cases are filed with the police department because of lack of trust that justice will be served or shame that they were discriminated.

When a group of young cyclists from San Juan de Lurigancho were biking in to Larco Mar, the group was detained, accused of being delinquents. According to Gabriel Prado, city security specialist, many saw that as a sign of “you don’t belong in this part of town.”

While racism may be prevalent in the city of Lima the best way to battle against the issue, according to Mansilla, is to openly discuss the topic and the problems many Peruvians of all ethnic groups face. 

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44 Comments

# elisa says :
December 3, 2008 [ 19:47 ]

esto es muy cierto

# WoW says :
December 3, 2008 [ 23:07 ]

Sad but true.  Dont understand in todays age how we can all suffer from such ignorance.

In a country such as Peru where GOD and FAITH seem to control sooo many, yet the bible states that GOD CREATED MAN.   BLACK, WHITE, YELLOW, PURPLE,  who cares,  gives us all a different flower to look at.

I have lived here for 3 years, never have seen any race issues.  A business friend opf mine is black and peruvian,  his wood working skills are some of the BEST i have ever seen.

Also,  The black people are some of the most well dressed people in the world.  There are many ignorant people in the world, and in todays age, we need to put aside the igorance, ignor the problems, because when you bring more attention to a problem like this,  your just going to bring it on harder for the Black person.

For those police that made a small issue, well things are changing now, and I am sure you will start to see less corruption in the police. 

I personally know Sr. Hernani, the new minister of police, he and I had a wonderful discussion about the corruption in the street police.  Things dont happen overnight, but i will tell you that the difference will happen by the ridding one bad cop at a time.

GoodNight

# Jafet says :
December 4, 2008 [ 0:09 ]

I think it's true not only in Peru anywhere you go it happens so it's another thing that I couldn't do anything just me I know acording to the laws there is no discrimination however in the real life it currently happens.

# Rachel in Peru says :
December 4, 2008 [ 9:28 ]

Discrimination is more open in Peru and is only viewed as politically incorrect when talked about in news mediums.

That's the point, there's more talk than walk when it comes to eliminating racism in Peru.

# jb says :
December 4, 2008 [ 18:42 ]

We just hired a new maid.  She said that her previous employer did not allow the maids to eat the same food (meat) that they had just prepared for the family!!!!  WTF, over?  And there was not hot water for the maid's shower???  These pitquos need to be horsewhipped.

# Christians S says :
December 5, 2008 [ 16:59 ]

Newsflash to WoW: Christians are and always will be TWO-FACED HYPOCRITES..  Chirstians = Ignorance

The most honest caring and tolerant people are always those who are agnostic or atheist or followers of peacful Eastern religions such as Buddhism. To get rid of bigotry you need to get rid of Christianity.

# *?* says :
December 5, 2008 [ 18:40 ]

When you see a white girl with blond hair so called..'Teaching' in a school who you personally know has  NO qualifications at all....and then you see a Peruvian with a University Degree out of work....go figure....SO sick of seeing this.

# Rachel in Peru says :
December 6, 2008 [ 20:16 ]

A.) Christianity IS an Eastern Religion.

B.) It's a human condition to be two faced or hypocritical. A Religious or Non-religious designation is no pre-condition to this.

Peru isn't all too racist if they can vote a Japanese man into the Presidential office. North America and Europe have yet to do the same.

# klara says :
December 7, 2008 [ 3:14 ]

You "only allow comments in English"... that is DISCRIMINATION!!!!!
Discrimination exist in Peru, because the 10% (who are of white descent) and who controls the economy and the government, makes you believe that you are nothing if you do not belong to their circle.  This will exist until "YOU" the majority of Peruvians, allow it to happen. 
Discrimitation will stop the day that you demand a better education for your own people, demand to be treated with respect & equality, demand to be heard,  discrimination will stop the day you use your right to vote and elect a decent person to govern the country and not a thief (like Garcia) or a bastard (like Fujimori).
So,  mesaje to JB "slavery does no longer exist in Peru, but you are a HUGE supporter of it by having a maid", just get up of your fat arse and do your things yourself, or better still, leave the Peruvians alone and return to your own country and see if you can hire a maid there.

# Jose says :
December 8, 2008 [ 14:07 ]

What about racial barriers against quechua/mixed peruvians? Aren't they also discriminated against as well?

# rice and sugar says :
December 8, 2008 [ 14:28 ]

Klara,
Your hot-headed comments miss the point (aside from the swearing and exclamation marks).

In Peru, "democracy" exists somehow: people have the right to vote. Whether people vote for Allan or for Fujimori, we vote and excercise our right to vote. Also, you claim discrimination will end when "better education" for the poor. I think we need JOBS for people: employment with decent salaries. People with jobs and money can progress...We need a strong market economy to develop in our country to create jobs and wealth. We are on the right path with our economy.
While blacks and natives (I'm a native myself) belong to lower poorer economic classes, we will continue to be discriminated. If we had better jobs and money, people would see us differently - regardless of our race.
By the way, while our economy seems to be growing in the past 10 years, poverty remains a problem by large. At least, we don't have the inflation that we had in the 1980's. By the way Klara, I disagree with you about Fujimori. Peruvians democratically voted for Fujimori in 1990 and 1995. He defeated terrorism and recovered our economy from the brinks of collapse. Thanks to Fujimori our economy is more solid now.

# elisa says :
December 8, 2008 [ 21:51 ]

es cierto el hecho de que solo permitan comentarios  en ingles,es una discriminacion,ps yo solo digo la verdad,ademas yo pienso que la comunidad peruana debiera leer esta informacion ya que se habla de peru, sino ps que el autor hable de la dicriminacion en USA.se equivoco? el idioma que los peruanos hablamos es castellano y quechua.
in case the author understands english, I say,he should give translation to spanish,it would be better.

# Jack says :
December 9, 2008 [ 1:55 ]



Elisa....dont be silly. 

This website is not discriminatory, could be argued a little biased at time with news reporting, but discriminatory because its reporting is in english and requests that comments be made in english???

The websites name is in english, its aimed at english speaking expats living in Peru, and english speaking Peruvians who perhaps enjoy the opportunity to read the news and comment in english.

Okay well if thats the case would it be reasonable for me to want El Comercio and every other printed Peruvian media to be availible in English?

Even better.. perhaps I should just stop speaking in English whilst here in Peru, I could be unwittingly excluding some nearby non englsih speaking person from joining my conversation.

Reasonable?  Claro que no.



 

# rice and sugar says :
December 9, 2008 [ 12:34 ]

Elisa and Klara, you guys are so off...Anyway, no point in convincing you...
Elisa, no seas tontita amiga. No haces quedar mal a los Peruanos. Informate y lee un poco mas. Si quieres escribir en castellano, lee el sitio web de La Republica o el Comercio...No te estreses querida

# ^^dkntqab says :
December 9, 2008 [ 15:02 ]

hey...i dont want to offend anyone here..or cause an argument...iam just sharing a thought whether its right or wrong thats an individuals right to make up there own mind....
but whats all this rubbish about not liking speeking english? if you dont like it...dont speek it..big deal! find a website that speeks only spanish.
come on...why get so upset! its an english speeking web site....theres worse things happening in the world! People are starving!!!...just like some of us  speek spanish in peru...and why? is that?? well because thats one of the languages that the country speeks. i wouldnt go into wongs and expect the girl at the cash desk to speek english or french ...and so it is here...this is a 'english speeking' website...so is it not rascist towards english speeking people to rant and moan about why they are writing in english? This web page is for english speeking...so we speek english..whether anyone likes it or not. there are plenty of spanish speeking web sites out there...but you dont see me going on there and having a rant that they should speek english...why? because its a spanish speeking website!!! this is where half the worlds problems start..we dont respect a persons right to express them selves in there own cultural enviroment. This has totally gone off the topic...Spanish is awsome and so is english!!!! I love peru! oh well peace and love and all that! :)

# klara says :
December 14, 2008 [ 5:47 ]

To rice & sugar
Topic of this page: Racism & Discrimination IN PERU
Is there Racism and discrimination in Peru?  YES!
Stop being blind, I can see you are a "Fujimorista".  So please explain, what do you call a "presidente" that keeps his wife captive in a cell, like if she was a mentally ill person, just becuase she wanted to tell the world who he really was?, what do you feel when you see him now on TV practically making fun of all the Peruvians, when he winks and smiles to his best friend Montesinos? and he doesn't look one bit ill, because HE ISN'T!!, he doesn't want to pay for all the wrong things he did while he was in power.  Why waste the poor Peruvian people's taxes to pay even for his food.  Let him die in jail, let him suffer as his many young victims did when he ordered the masacre of inocent people.

Correction to ^^dkntqab it is "speak" not speek.  This is a forum about Peruvians and they should have the right to coment in their own language if they feel like.  The vast majority of them can not get proper education let along learn english.  So leave them alone.


# ^^dkntqab says :
December 14, 2008 [ 12:21 ]

Dear Klara, I appreciate the  language correction to my "speek" word (although that's not the point of the matter here). I think it would be greatly helpful to get some facts straight here in order to convey a well-balanced opinion:


First, the LIVING IN PERU website (which I think is the best of its kind), although about Peru and Peruvians,  clearly
  "is a Guide for foreigners living in Peru and others who are looking for useful information to make their time in Peru more pleasant"
(link: http://www.livinginperu.com/pages/about) so, it is oriented to foreigners living in Peru (which in their great majority are English speaking).  That's the reason why the website is in English.


Second, of course Peruvians not only should, but actually HAVE the right to comment in this forum (there never was a ban on them to  comment here, more so about their own country). Good common sense suggests that their opinions be made in English so their input could benefit everyone who checks this website. Especially those non-Spanish speaking foreigners who are new to the country and trying to adapt to a new language and culture.


Third,  leave who alone? I'm not attacking anybody here. If one thing  I love Peru and its people.


Finally,  racism is  a sad legacy from the colonial past, and it's one that Peruvians little by little are overcoming through significant achievemnets  in everyday life. The lack of access to  education, jobs and  a decent life  have in racism one of their main causes for the overwhelming majority of Peruvians (especially those of indigenous heritage).   Deep rooted traditions, mindset,  and even the media are its main allies. However, what makes it even worse is the lack of open dialogue and discussion about this problem (it's  the same in the US and parts of Europe).  I just hope , like many of my Peruvian friends, that soon enough this could be a thing of the past. 

# Curious says :
December 14, 2008 [ 14:57 ]

No, Rachel-in-Peru, we in "North America" have not yet voted a Japanese man (excuse me, but I thought he was Peruvian?) into presidential office but we have just elected an African American for President so we can't be far behind all of you progressives down in South America.Wink
And while being two-faced and hypocritical and racist may be part of the "human condition," that doesn't make it right. We can and should aspire to be better than that. 

# ^^dkntqab says :
December 14, 2008 [ 17:11 ]

 Klara, I appreciate the  language correction to my "speek" word (although that's not the point of the matter here). I think it would be greatly helpful to get some facts straight here in order to convey a well-balanced opinion:

First, the LIVING IN PERU website (which I think is the best of its kind), although about Peru and Peruvians,  clearly
  "is a Guide for foreigners living in Peru and others who are looking for useful information to make their time in Peru more pleasant"
(link: http://www.livinginperu.com/pages/about) so, it is oriented to foreigners living in Peru (which in their great majority are English speaking).  That's the reason why the website is in English.


Second, of course Peruvians not only should, but actually HAVE the right to comment in this forum (there never was a ban on them to  comment here, more so about their own country). Good common sense suggests that their opinions be made in English so their input could benefit everyone who checks this website. Especially those non-Spanish speaking foreigners who are new to the country and trying to adapt to a new language and culture.


Third,  leave who alone? I'm not attacking anybody here. If one thing  I love Peru and its people.


Finally,  racism is  a sad legacy from the colonial past, and it's one that Peruvians little by little are overcoming through significant achievemnets  in everyday life. The lack of access to  education, jobs and  a decent life  have in racism one of their main causes for the overwhelming majority of Peruvians (especially those of indigenous heritage).   Deep rooted traditions, mindset,  and even the media are its main allies. However, what makes it even worse is the lack of open dialogue and discussion about this problem (it's  the same in the US and parts of Europe).  I just hope , like many of my Peruvian friends, that soon enough this could be a thing of the past. 

*incase you ask why...this is posted again...i thought the first time i posted was a bit hard to read in that font.

# Rachel in Peru says :
December 14, 2008 [ 18:36 ]

Cecilia Valenzuela from La Ventana Indiscreta did an investigative report and it demonstrated that it cannot be determined for a fact that Fujimori was born in Peru.

Fujimori was likely born in Japan before his parents immigrated to Peru when he was a toddler.

His birthday is the same day as Peruvian Independence day. His parents listed his birthday as the 28th of July in honor of their new country, Peru. This is a custom followed all over the world by the Japanese.

So it can be argued that Fujimori is the first foreigner and Japanese elected President of Peru.

Secondly, concerning the comments being in English, this is obviously a policy of the website in order to maintain uniformity. This is a privately owned domain so they have the right to set the rules.

Finally, Barack Obama isn't African American. His wife is. He is bi-racial. The U.S. just elected their first Bi-racial President. Unless you are still using that 1/8 definition then in that case you would be correct, Curious. But I'm sure you know that the 1/8 definition pre-dates the civil rights movement - not so progressive is it?


# mericorps says :
December 14, 2008 [ 20:32 ]

Rachel,

that is a very clinical definination of African American, modern trend is actually to let people self identify.

Can anyone prove Fujimori was born in Japan?

It is just hearsay, nothing more without concrete evidence.

I hate fujimori and hope he lands in jail for a long time, but I do not enjoin the Japanese or Peruvian debate because for that to have meaning, there would have to be concrete evidence.

# Rachel in Peru says :
December 14, 2008 [ 21:04 ]

There is strong, tangible, circumstantial evidence to prove that Fujimori was not born in Peru. You must not have seen the report; Please look it up.

I have bi-racial friends, including one that I've been best friends with for over 20+ years and they do not appreciate the fact that the significance of Obama being bi-racial has been largely ignored.

Normally people define themselves as one or the other, because that is all they have...one choice.

Anyway, Obama has already labeled himself as a "mutt." 'Nuf said - He's a mulatto. Cool

# klara says :
December 15, 2008 [ 7:24 ]

^^dkntqab, thanks for the clarification and I like your last post.
Rachel & Curious  and the rest, lets not waste our time commenting about Fuji..., not worth it.
To the Indigenous Peruvian people, your time to shine will come, just be strong like your ancestors were.

# LORENA from California says :
January 2, 2009 [ 18:22 ]

Regardless of the language you express your opinion is the fact still remains, Peru is a country where racism is latent, a country where discrimination is rampant, not only on the basis of race, but on the basis of age, socioeconomic class, etc. It might seem out of ignorance to the international community how time after time Peruvian citizens elect a candidate that is ill-prepared for office. But, this is something that can also be said of people who re-elected Bush in the United States and failed to see how he was screwing up economy domestically.  The issue is that developped countries have systems, legislation in place that protect citizens from discrimination, etc.  This does not mean that discrimination is non-existent but because citizens have legal protection they are more apt to complaint and be more vocal about these conditions.  This makes the masses more aware of discrimination.  Thus, discrimination is more subtle because there are consequences to pay.  In Peru, discrimination is more open, no laws protecting individuals, and people less educated about racial sensitivity. This is because there are no rules, because there are no consequences. If a black individual complaints there is no remuneration through the Court System, one has more to lose. Thus, in a country where the focus is survival if violated you are less assertive because you might lose your job, go to jail, or be beaten and no protection exists from government, law, or police.  There are several groups that advocate for rights of blacks in Peru, but the problem is that they have no support, no financial backing to lobby to government.  This creates permanence for a system where blacks feel less empowered to speak up for their rights. I am a bi-racial individual, peruvian from birth, of italian and black descent, college educated professional living outside of Peru.  However, when I go visit the country and I want to enjoy the finer things in life (good dining, etc) I am often exposed to discrimination because in appearance I am black. I am barred from going to a good nightclub because of false "exclusive," "membership" claims to keep anyone but whites in.  If I arrive speaking English, French or Italian, and show the current currency I carry, I still experience the resistance.  If I complaint in a civilized manner, I am categorized as aggressive.  Did you know that the unemployment rate in Peru is well over 45% for the country overall but for blacks over 40 about 70%? This is largely because if you are over 35, black in Peru, you do not get work.  Go figure over the reasoning, but this is a major reason why blacks in Peru seek to live outside, anywhere to survive, resort to crime or starve to death until a miserable pension can be issued at retirement.  Black people are portrayed in a very negative light in news and absent in television.  However, when it comes to music, or athletism, if you are black in Peru, people expect, almost demand that you sing and dance.  I found that extremely offensive.  Expectations and stereotypes need to be modified if Peru wants to compete in a global arena.  Until there is a legislative system that condemns that kind of discrimination, until employers, businesses are forced to pay hefty fines, until there is labor protection for individuals, until you educate the masses about diversity and ethnic sensitivity you will not see an inch of equality in Peru.  Blacks need to demand representation.  In govenrment, they need to be present to be able to create laws that protect them and benefit them as well as other groups.  Not everyone in Peru speaks quechua, dances techno cumbia or huayno  or is a descendant of Incas.'  We need to learn to respect each other first to change the way other people look at us.  Discrimination in Peru for blacks creates financial limitations that bar us as a group to make many positive contributions to the country.  But, as I said earlier we need to start by taking away stereotypes and prejudices and think about acceptance, only then, survival amongs groups will be better.   Black people need to stop being afraid to speak up because fear in the end is creating permanence no matter how impotent and discontect we may feel.  Whether this comment is in English or any other language the fact remains, Peruvians as a society need to be educated about who they are, about respecting each other.  A society that is more educated about these issues will be empowered to demand accountability and change from businesses, employers, and ultimately the government will start to protect their rights.  We are in 2009 and well beyond open discussions.  The majority of Peruvians know there is racism and since the majority is of Inca and Spanish descent feels that the racism is not directed at them so in essence do not feel that they have to bother about respecting blacks, such a small group that makes up in theory about 15% of population.  But in reality close to 30% of Peruvians are a mixture of black and mestizo or or black and indigenous and in apperance they look indian and less prone to discrimination because they blend with the majority, so they do not want to be overt about discrimination because they do not want to be discriminated themselves.  It may seem like denial but it is just a defense mechanism against status quo since no one protects the discriminated.  One way to contribute is to provide support to advocate groups such as the one in the discussion (financial or otherwise) so they can raise power and lobby in government to create viable laws.  A discrimination act needs to be created in Peru that will not only protect blacks but any other race, including age, disability and many other handicaps. 

# Teresa says :
January 2, 2009 [ 19:09 ]

I have a quick, practical answer to this problem. How about painting your face blue??....like "The Blue Men" in Las Vegas!.....or purple, or red, or yellow, and you won't have any problem!  Why belabor this subject?....it's not worth it. Are you trying to change age-old customs overnight? I'm Peruvian....and it's not going to happen any time soon at discos, where the beautiful people want other beautiful people around.  I'm wondering if blonde, blue-eyed "Betty La Feas" are allowed. Laughing I don't think so....(musical notes playing). Otherwise, we love our cholos and our negritos....or we wouldn't be dancing to Afro-Peruvian music in Barranco or at family parties....or doing the "huayno" at "Brisas del Titicaca".  Please don't exaggerate....we're not any more racist than anybody else in the world.  And as someone said....we DID elect Fujimori, who IS Peruvian....but who looks every bit Japanese. If we were REALLY racist....we wouldn't have elected an Asian-looking Peruvian.  Also, one of our congresswomen, I believe from Puno...wears her native costume and everyone thinks it's great!  I haven't heard that anyone has kicked her out of Congress or called her "CHOLA!!" out loud.  Please, foreign people....get a grip!

# LORENA from California says :
January 2, 2009 [ 20:34 ]

Things are not going to change anytime soon if we continue to be oblivious to the problem and disregard the seriousness of it. Discriminatory practices take time to change and can only be affected if people become more assertive and more respectful of each other. If you feel there is no problem then certainly you feel satisfied with the repressed state of thing.  Fujimori's election wouldn't have taken place if he was black.  Race was not the issue in Fujimori's election because of this.  He is a descendent of a foreign culture, japanese in his case, and Peruvians treat foreigners live VIPs. If he was blonde, or cholito as you call it, he would have been elected. But nevertheless, he was still labeled "chinito" even though to people he was considered peruvian. Peruvians labeled, boxed and stereotyped him.  I respect your opinion, you have a right to it. However, it believe that you are underestimating the seriousness of the  problem and did not provide a viable solution.  There is more to respecting a group than just enjoying good food or cross over music...I reiterate you have a right to your opinion but you are certainly out of base on this one!

# Rene says :
January 3, 2009 [ 6:01 ]

This whole issue of proving that Peruvian people are not discriminating cause they elected Fuji is dumb... elections are about the majority, not about unanimity. Even if there is only a small group of people that discriminate, then still the people being discriminated are feeling the effects and do not care about what percentage of the people it is.

So Teresa, no, not all Peru is racist, but yes, a group of Peruvians of some size is racist. Just as in every other country in the world. The world knows many sorts of racism/discrimination and fortunately in most countries it is not that dominant.

About the cholita in congress, not everyone thinks its great. At least my father-in-law has his thoughts, since she just putting herself in a negative spotlight by insisting to speak Quechua (like the earlier discussion of English vs Spanish). There is a place and a time for Quechua, but not in congress where she is the only one. But this goes off-topic....

Oh and by the way, racism does not only extend to "US and some parts of Europe"... it's all over the world. What about Australia/NZ and their native peoples. What about Africa (and not only white vs Black, also between black tribes)? What about the Middle East? or Asia?

# ^^dkntqab says :
January 4, 2009 [ 17:21 ]

Rene, this is what I actually wrote:

"However, what makes it even worse is the lack of open dialogue and discussion about this problem (it's  the same in the US and parts of Europe)"

that's in terms of dialogue and discussion, I wasn't saying that it only happens in the US and Europe.  Let's not take things out of context (I mean for accuracy's sake). Of course it happens all around the world, however the kind of racism that is always highlited is the Western one because of economic and political hegemony.  Other non-Western peoples around the world  have their inherently ancestral forms of racism we don't know about. 

One form of racism I don't particularly like (even though they say its a term of endearment) is the "gringo" word, now nobody's gonna tell me that is not racist, because it is even the origin of such a word  depicts rejection and dislike. fair is fair. Not all the  racism is Western and white.

# Teresa says :
January 4, 2009 [ 18:30 ]

Lorena, my apologies....I did not intend to sound flippant.
about racism in Peru on elsewhere in the world.

The fact is, that....particularly in Lima, you will find racism. You're an educated, cultivated person. I don't have to remind you that our city of Lima was the seat of the VICEROYALTY OF PERU. The Spaniards were attracted by the gold of Peru, and/or the legend of "El Dorado". Then the Spanish court established the Viceroyalty and all the pomp and circumstance, powdered wigs, snuff, golden carriages, etc. came along with  Not to mention the need for having people waiting on them hand and foot...this is where the black slaves and natives come into the picture.

Some people in Lima, and other major cities, such as Trujillo, Arequipa still have vestiges of colonial times. There are still a few "principitos" and "princesas" around.
From my own experience: I once invited a dear friend of mine to a dance at our club in one of the suburbs. She had beautiful almond-shaped eyes. My mother raised her eyebrows upon seeing her, called me aside and whispered: "Is your friend oriental?" I said: "no"....not even thinking that she could have been...what was called then, and "injerta"...or person of mixed blood, primarly Asian. My mom's response was: "Well....does she have a sign on her back saying: "I'm really not Asian, I just look like one". I was humiliated but my mother allowed me to take her to the club anyway, even though she was visibly
uncomfortable with my friend. There are still ladies in Lima who act like Dona Maria Teresa Francisca Eugenia Portocarrero Campodonico y demas hierbas (translated as, "other weeds", a common saying in Spanish for a person of "pedigree".)  This type of arrogance has been handed down from generation to generation and most people don't realize that it has been handed down from the times of the Viceroyalty.  It's not like some people are going to get over it overnight.

However....the Indian philosopher Krishnamurti said: "If you want the world to change, if you something to improve.....start with yourself.

Lorena....I feel that since you've been touched personally by racism in our own country, you could make a change by educating people on this subject anytime the ocassion arises.  I know it takes courage.....but it can be done. I myself have many times stood up to speak for someone who was being discriminated because they were "brown", Hispanic and had a heavy accent in English. I have asked of people: "why are you ignoring this lady?....just because her English is not perfect?  She's not dumb, she is just having a temporary problem with a new language.....give her a break!"

So......we can go around and around on this subject and nothing will change until we make a committment to take active part in stopping racism. It can be done in a direct, but polite manner...I have found out that racists have to be dealt with in a direct.....but civil and polite manner.

"dkntqab"...no doubt, from the incipient moments of the Viceroyalty, even Spaniards who were blonde, blue-eyed of Celtic or Visigothic extration) were called some specific name to set them apart from the mostly brown-eyed, brown-hair "chapetones" (oops! Embarassed I was politically incorrect.  I should tell you that I have a granddaughter who is blonde, blue-eyed, peaches and cream and my endearment words for her are: "mi gringuita"..."mi Vikinga"....and she loves being called those names.

Soo....let's take it easy on the racism issue. There is a time and a season for everything....Peru's will come. Let's be glad and celebrate on January 20, 2009 an Afro-American president will be inaugurated. If that isn't progress....what is?! 

# Chris says :
January 16, 2009 [ 4:48 ]

US and Canada Found Guilty of Racism

by Haider RizvinInter Press Service
August 8th, 2008
 

UNITED NATIONS - The international community now fully recognises the native peoples' right to protect their lands and live distinct lifestyles. Yet, most of the world's 370 million indigenous peoples continue to face abuse and injustices at the hands of state authorities and commercial concerns.

"We must look at the substantial successes we have been able to achieve, but also reflect on how far we have to go," Ben Powless of the Indigenous Environment Network told IPS on the eve of the International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples.

Though pleased with the U.N. General Assembly's decision last year to approve the Declaration on the Rights of the Indigenous Peoples, Powless and other activists say they have no reason to believe that those who have occupied their native lands are willing to change their behaviour.

"Governments in the past have been complicit in genocides, land seizures, massive environmental degradation, and many other human rights abuses because [indigenous peoples] were denied their fundamental rights and freedoms," said Powless, a Mohawk whose nation's territory is now divided between modern-day Canada and the United States.

Last year when the 192-member U.N. General Assembly adopted the Declaration on the Rights of the Indigenous Peoples, both the U.S. and Canada were among a handful of countries that voted against it.

"This shows how far we still have to go to make sure that states acknowledge and protect indigenous peoples' rights, for if they continue not to, we have many examples of the grave results," said Powless.

Recently, both the U.S. and Canada were found guilty by a Geneva-based U.N. rights watchdog, which keeps track of violations of the 1968 Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination. The U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) told Canada to take "appropriate legislative or administrative measures to prevent the acts of transnational corporations on indigenous territories."

CERD took the Canadian government to task in response to a petition filed by indigenous organisations that charged private businesses from Canada were unlawfully involved in the exploitation of their lands located in the U.S.

The petition particularly focused on the situation facing the Western Shoshone — a Native American tribe whom some non-natives refer to as "Snake Indians," although in their own language they are called Newe people.

Stretching across the states of Nevada, California, Idaho, and Utah, the Shoshone land is currently the third largest gold producing area in the world. Numerous multinational corporations are operating in the Shoshone land, and many are planning to move in.

Many of these companies — which include Bravo Venture Group, Nevada Pacific Gold, Barrick Gold, Glamis Gold, Great Basin Gold, and U.S. GoldCorp according to the complaint — are registered in Canada.

Indigenous activists say that many areas where mining is taking place have been used by their communities for spiritual ceremonies and other cultural purposes for thousands of years. Certain areas are home to Shoshone creation stories and are vital to indigenous traditions of acquiring knowledge.

Shoshone elders have repeatedly charged that the enormous amount of toxic material produced as a result of mining is causing enormous damage to the health and well being of their people and the environment.

In 2006, in response to the Western Shoshone petition, CERD also assailed the U.S. government for violating the tribes' rights and said Washington had run afoul of the international antiracism treaty.

The 18-member U.N. panel of experts said it had "credible information" that the Shoshone were being denied their traditional rights to land. CERD said the U.S. government must cease all commercial activities on tribal lands, including mining operations.

The U.S. recognised Shoshone rights to their land under the 1863 Treaty of Ruby Valley. However, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1979 that the pact gave Washington trusteeship over tribal lands.

The federal government justified its position by saying that tribe members had abandoned traditional land tenure and practices and cited "gradual encroachment" by non-natives as evidence to claim much of the land as federal territory.

The Western Shoshone, in their petition to the U.N. panel, countered that "gradual encroachment" in fact took place as part of a U.S. policy to steal their lands, and that this constituted racism.

Shoshone leaders said they went before CERD because they had exhausted all other legal options to prevent the U.S. government from taking over their ancestral lands. For similar reasons they had to challenge the actions of the Canadian government.

In addition to recommending legal steps to change corporate behaviour, the U.N. panel also asked Canada to submit a report on the effects of the activities of transnational corporations in Canada on indigenous peoples abroad.

Mindful that relations between indigenous communities and governments in many parts of the world remain tense, officials at the U.N. Secretariat are currently trying to arrange seminars and meetings to create a cordial atmosphere for mutual understanding and reconciliation.

"Reconciliation between indigenous peoples and states can take many forms that differ from country to country," according to the U.N., "Generally it involves recognition for past injustices, justice for victims and the healing of relationships.

The U.N. has described the adoption of the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in 2007 — after more than 20 years of negotiations among states and indigenous peoples, under the mediation of the U.N. — an "historic act of reconciliation".

In a message to mark the International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said, "The result of more than two decades of negotiations, [the Declaration] provides a momentous opportunity for states and indigenous peoples to strengthen their relationships, promote reconciliation, and ensure that the past is not repeated."

Sha Zukang, Under-Secretary General for Economic and Social Affairs and Coordinator of the Second International Decade of the World's Indigenous People, called the Declaration "a manifestation of reconciliation between indigenous peoples and states — and a mechanism for carrying that reconciliation forward."

Meanwhile, Powless thinks that certain powerful countries are unlikely to change their attitudes towards indigenous peoples unless a majority of their citizens are informed enough to hold those accountable who play a powerful role in shaping public policy.

"The wider public must understand indigenous peoples' rights and concerns," he said. "They must act to protect them because as the most marginalised group in this world, it spells out how the rest of us will be treated, and is also the surest way to protect our last remaining ecosystems."

Many climate change scientists share this view. They think the indigenous peoples can play a vital role in preserving biodiversity and the planet's resources because they live in close proximity with nature.

# Dogo10 says :
March 18, 2009 [ 12:10 ]

Americans should stop talking about racism. There's such a thing as being "open minded" and other, totally different, as being "no minded". American mainstream culture is by far one of the most ignorants in the world. Their capitalistic "freedom" has made them the most violent country in the world, and their no mindness has yielded to a "hood" nation.
In Lima we are not racist. If the person has education he/she will be treated accordingly. In Lima, however, we DO value culture, our criollo culture, that is why if there's an Indian mestizo and a Criollo with the same level of education and capacity applying for the same job, the Criollo will get the job, and even though Americans don't understand, THAT'S HOW IT HAS TO BE. A culture sticks together and helps each other, because all of our ancestors fought to give us a decent life in this country.
As far as discrimination in the streets, it is not our fault that the majority of crimes are committed by Indian and Black looking people. Every person has the duty to make his town, neighborhood, and city safe. It's a civil obligation.
I don't really understand why Americans think inmigration has made them the "greatest country in the world"... 40 years ago could be, but now there's no way. I've been to LA, NY, NJ, FL, and I don't think so, those are very awful looking cities, not "first world" looking at all. Having such a heterogenous society with no culture or affinity is what's dragging you down, in Lima we are just trying to preserve culture.

# Pedro says :
March 18, 2009 [ 14:25 ]

WELL SAID! Dogo10.

# Rene says :
March 18, 2009 [ 14:42 ]

Ignorants...

# Rodrigo says :
April 13, 2009 [ 7:25 ]

Latinos now the Target
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owu7k2B4UZo

ABC What would you do? Latino Hate Crime Episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru1F29vuVKI


abc Primetime - How Muslims Are Treated In USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbQWxHIn4U&feature=related


Racist US University Students on Latino Students
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSwbjh4RNag


CNN and Fox TV: The New Faces of Racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR0GghNq7dI


Youths attack two Latino men with rocks, racist words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d64pHjNcJao&feature=related


No Mexicans or Dogs Allowed - pt 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifqHuDp4WJc&feature=related


No Mexicans or Dogs Allowed - pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEh6ouppA4I&feature=related


A Mexican standing his ground againist racist minutemen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4JxDHtR6lc

Mexican kindergarten kids vs racist white minutemen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7YrkpKNB7M&feature=related

What a wonderful world - US Imperialist style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDqhV52ww9A

New York Police brutality & racism against blacks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTe8M10aQeA


BILL OREILLY BRINGS HIS RACISM TO FOX NEWS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxwHyzHs7Ww&feature=related

More asian racism (now from an Asian) on Fox News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB10SPsrEQQ&feature=related


Racism against the Chinese on Fox News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwF_VzuN8dU&feature=related


Native Americans - The Genocide of the Genuine Americans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLyBkH4Q2d0&feature=related


The American Holocaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-C2rAvCcuY&feature=related


Telling Truth Gently
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUtwbg6Bnmk&feature=related

























# Rodrigo says :
April 13, 2009 [ 7:41 ]

Most Blacks Say Racism Widespread In U.S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmeWFTNQ8Ew

African Americans Stand Strong Against Fox News Racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUmm7Dp6c-M

Pat Buchanan's racist ways surfaces.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qITwCtfgqw&feature=related


FOX News' Double Standard On Racism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD7Bo2zaviI&feature=related

Hannity Feigns Sadness Over Racial Divisions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR3fA2tUnpI&feature=related

Barack Obama's mentor Hillary aint never been called a .....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs&feature=related



# Rodrigo says :
April 13, 2009 [ 7:52 ]

Kamau Kambon says kill white people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMOkDOXAovQ&feature=PlayList&p=0F134171A781FE1D&index=0&playnext=1

Kill Whitey Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGv8PQr8Uo4&feature=PlayList&p=0F134171A781FE1D&index=1


Long Beach Police Murder Another Unarmed Black Man, May 16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibR8bkTwUCw


Philly Police beat on unarmed men
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po8NNx53fF4&feature=related


73-Year Old Black Man Shot By 2 White Police--Accused of Racism & Planting a Gun (Part 1 of 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4uBncMHM7A&feature=related


73-Year Old Black Man Shot By 2 White Policeman (Part 2 of 2), Town Mayor Response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kND9I9ChVU0&feature=related


SOME POLICE LOVE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dECwO27XZ6E&feature=related





# Rodrigo says :
April 13, 2009 [ 8:01 ]

The KKK, and Skin Heads Hate groupes . Most are in the South
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDSrKDLYSPc


"Death to the Ku Klux Klan!!" KKK+Police vs Blacks+Communists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4lXVlPKf44


Blacks Against Obama - Protesters With KKK Signs Interrupt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55SuFA5-sHk&feature=related


Klan Endorses Barak Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9nvpgwGv08&feature=related

Aryan Brotherhood Support Obama - Find Out Why?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GdpDxBouMQ&feature=related


Gangland - The Aryan Brotherhood part 1 of 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S4HpuBUEAA&feature=related


Gangland - The Aryan Brotherhood part 2 of 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZSHKhhBiRY&feature=related

Gangland - The Aryan Brotherhood part 3 of 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VnTNxRdNN8&feature=related

Gangland - The Aryan Brotherhood part 4 of 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nUgj39exmI&feature=related

Gangland - The Aryan Brotherhood part 5 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwYG15HTUzU&feature=related









# william cordova says :
May 17, 2009 [ 17:00 ]

esto es verdad y tambien necesita cambiar!!!!


It is true, that Limenyos are living in conditions set upon them by the Spanish. Our standards are low as are our tolerance for difference even though we are made up of Andean African and Spanish as well as Chinese and Japanese. Ignorance from the top of Government to the bottom where most of the people live. Poverty discriminates the mind and body and so we change very little. What happened to the examples like Tupac Amaru II (Andean Spanish descent) and Micaela Bastidas (African and Andean descent) created for others to follow? What happened to examples like Francisco Congo and our struggle for self determination? The Andean and African presence makes up most of the culture we export and yet its Anglo examples we see on our Peruvian media. 

We need to change this and change it NOW!


# Agnostica says :
July 4, 2009 [ 11:07 ]

I have been reading some comments here and they are quite interesting.  I was born in the United States to parents from Peru. I have been to Lima a few times and what can I say about it? It's a beautiful city, but with many of the problems of any big city, be it New York, LA, or Paris. Racism is not the biggest problem. I mean it does exist but it's not the biggest problem. i did not find lima's population to be overwhelmingly diverse. i mean it's a mestizo city, the people of mixed indian/spanish, indian, or spanish descent. there are a few other ethnicities, like blacks, asians, and people of non-spanish european ancestry. but overall the people did not seem concerned with race, since they pretty much know their inca roots. but i have heard that in other cities like arequipa where there are almost no blacks that blacks are despised. i have a friend from arequipa currently living in New York who is not shy about being racist.  He thinks that the government in the United States should send the blacks back to Africa! So even though while in Lima I saw little to now racism, I am sure it's there.  It's sad to see also in Peru only white Peruvians in the telenovelas and most of their commercials and shows feature imports from Spain and Italy, so as not to be proud of their own people. I have seen more blacks in American soap operas! I have never seen a black person in a telenovela! Imagine that! In telenovelas only whites and light-skinned mestizos are portrayed! 

# amauta says :
July 4, 2009 [ 16:57 ]

Its really important for people to understand that the reality of any place is always going to change and differ from one person to another. Many people speak about Peru not being or being racist. That there is discrimination and then that its under control or that it used to be "discriminatory" but now it isn't. That the police are correct in their brutal actions against darker skinned people in Peru or that the senior officials and government leaders have had "good" conversations with us about not repeating past atrocities on their fellow woman and man. When foreigners speak of how great it is Peru is, they speak about it from a distant view with a distant lens with a foreign understanding even if they marry a Peruvian. Even if they decide to live in Mira Flores and say that Peru is so clean and great food, love those Llamas and Cebiche. They see and understand one aspect of Peruvian life, maybe the elite or privileged can comprehend only that. For the rest of the people, there is only a version that is often repressed, dismissed and ignored. But these are the voices of everyday people, cultural producers in a complex country where their numbers count but their voices are not. So people can say this or that about us but the truth of the matter is that most people would rather say "its all good in Peru" when it isn't and arrogant foreigners who live in our country and marry into our families think that since they know "officials" that they understand our culture. I guess its like a white peruvian coming to the US without a foreign accent and landing in Dixie and meeting the white sheriff who doesn't hire any blacks or Brown people and says "we are all happy here in our town." Some of us need to wake up!

# Nancy says :
November 5, 2009 [ 22:14 ]

My parents are from Peru and I was born here in the US. My family is Mestizo and they have a racist view about blacks in Peru, even here in the US. Peruvians like Lorena who commented that there is no racism in Peru are wrong. My parents say that racism doesn't exist and blacks are 'happy' to do menial jobs. Compare to the US, blacks in Peru barely have any opportunities to lift them out of poverty. Whites and mestizos dominate most of the good paying jobs. Its a sad fact that needs to be addressed in Peru.

# John B says :
November 7, 2009 [ 18:58 ]

Dogo-10 and allot of others seem very correct about racisim being strong in the US and the rest of the worold.Obviously were all non experts and spouting great intelligent opinions here.I simply feel it´s a heart and mind feeling that one is more superior to another and one person is to serve the other.My anscesters probably did it in the south when the US tolerated slavery of the Negro people. My Peruvian wife had a black maid for years as her son required her and was a busy with her work with the PNP in Lima.Frankly I feel it´s important only how you treat a servant,employee or person who you have power over.To abuse is wrong,and to respect,and reward is ok.We will also have one or two servants in our main home when I retire in 2 years.We will help your economy and treat our servant better than most maids in Lima.She will be old so as not to have any potiential to threaten our marriage with her sexuality,etc..,she will have 1 day off and be honestly paid each week without fail.She will have paid holidays,Christmas and birthday bonus pay.Depending on her situation,she will live and eat as part of the3 deal.We will probably allow her to eat with us and share in some family events.

People forget that employees at a company in Peru or the US are subject to their boss,or ´Heaffy´,and dont eat together or have close after work get togethers,as they are the boss and the worker,employee,is the servant.
Lastly,I married a Peruvian with a touch of black because I love her,and it brings me great joy to rub this in the faqce of all my American friends and family.Who is racist here? The question was regarding me and you. Simply put,if you are not racist,than your actions will have the evidence in them.My wife asked me why I never dated a black woman ever in my life.I explained, I was afraid what my friends and family would say.
My conclusion is 95 percent of the world is racist toward a race,class,anyone different than they.


# hello!!! says :
November 9, 2009 [ 3:26 ]

Hello everyone!! Okay, I for one believe that their is racism in Peru as much as there is in any other country. The dark skinned Peruvians are looked at as low class. Both my parents are from Peru, my mothers grandparents are from Germany and my fathers grandparents are from Italy.I was born here in the United States as were my siblings. No one thinks my parents are Peruvian because they are both light skinned. My brothers look more European with thier pale white skin and light colored eyes. Many people in the states are fascinated when we tell them that are parents are Peruvian. My parents are good examples because even though they say they are not racist, they still have the mentality that blacks and cholos from the sierra are low class.

# Alessandro says :
December 6, 2009 [ 21:49 ]

wow Klara.......... you are very ignorant. and you are racist to us white peruvians. Geez, it is around 25%-30% white, accorfing to INEI 2009. Get your facts right. The majority is mestizo. Just admit that the indegenious population is decreasing, wheater we like it or not.

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